"The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? ". > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. And you bring up anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. Indeed, the film iscentrally concerned with the failure of a 'male-centric' andpatriarchal ideology to deal with female desire; and the narrativethrust of the film revolves around Bill's increasingly hopelessefforts to flee from (but also to copy and avenge) Alice's desire, adesire from which he is completely excluded, just as he is laterexcluded from the desire-space of the power-elite at Somerton. I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. I am ready --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. > Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. >>What else could he call it? and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. In fact, the only actual dream in the film is unseen, is onlylater described - namely, Alice's dream/nightmare about having sexwith numerous men (strikingly similar to the fate of the women atSomerton) in which Bill is openly humiliated, and told to Bill justafer he returns from Somerton. > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. Statanic mass? > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. If he were> Ziegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privately> communicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly as> possible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Ziegler> subsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like a> complete fool')? Amazing. Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. SoZiegler's principal role in the film and in this scene is as anunscrupulous defender of wealth and power and as a power-brokerintermediary (laying down the Law while also routinely transgressingit), threateningly indicating to Bill just what the rich and powerfulcan do and what they can get away with. and> pleading with her to take off her mask? I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. Please either stop orshape up. Statanic mass? It's pronounced Paw-rick, not Pad-raig. > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." It was a > party nevertheless. :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. The woman who had tried to warn Bill intervenes and insists on redeeming him, at an undisclosed personal cost. What a joke to call them "philosophers." Let him go! He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." WebEyes Wide Shut. But what he was getting at was whether it was > murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it > would not have happened had he not been there. Much as you often dream of people, in a distorted way, whom you met while awake. If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? > >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" But he can't know for sure (because she wasmasked at Somerton). Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? ">> "Victor what can I say. He didn't recognise her voice. -----Richard Schultz sch@mail.biu.ac.ilDepartment of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, IsraelOpinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University-----"It would have been like discussing sundials with a bat. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. <<<<<<<<<<. Even Ziegler only uses that wordin reference to his own earlier party, while referring to the Somertonrituals always more elusively: "I was there, at the House", "what ifwhat happened was a fake, a charade", etc, but no mention of any'party' at Somerton. Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I > know.". Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film > audience.>, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of> 'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simply> because of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?> And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member of> the power elite? and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? 0. Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. In keeping with the filmmaker's quest for perfection, the shoot for Eyes Wide Shut famously rolled on, with the movie holding the record for the longest consecutiveshoot, as filming began in late 1996 and wrapped in mid-1998. > He didn't recognise her voice. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. Perhaps itwould have worked better if there had been a photo in the newsarticle. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. Orgy? Statanic mass? If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. Was she the women at the party?" "anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." I found them both disappointing. How doesshe know this? Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? at the> ceremony/orgy. at the > ceremony/orgy. No, it was just set up that way, as a puzzle, so that there would beendless discussion. How? But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Put on some headphones and listen. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. and she > replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," > Mandy says, "I know." > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. >>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because, 1. Somerton could hardly be described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.' When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. The Daily Planet may go under too. >Apparently word of Bill's> entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. andpleading with her to take off her mask? I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. >>Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >>see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >>together.>, > These last points I've already covered>. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). >What else could> he call it? >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. I am normally the last guy in theworld to criticize somebody for using big words, but, besides that you'renot bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using themserves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" He was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," were killers. All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" What else could he call it? [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. <<<<<<<<<<<<<. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. He is not exactly voicing his thoughts. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. ", wrote:> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey . >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was> showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. > The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? >> When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"> but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him at> the orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. NG was :>the realization of that potential. And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because. Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice Distorted way, a brief introduction have worked better if there had been a photo in the.... 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